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Poster: user unknown Date: Jan 2, 2009 8:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Dreadful Greats

Gotta admit though, what he lacked in talent he more than made up for with heart and soul.

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Poster: marty1965 Date: Jan 2, 2009 8:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Dreadful Greats

I have to say that 1977-78 are great years for me. Check out Seneca College (one of my faves).
My favorite show of all time has to be late show 6/24/70. I had a copy that was so bad for so many years and then i found the one on here and made me so psyched to have a copy that was way more listenable.
At the end, it just made me sad that I did not enjoy the last show I saw (6/19/95). As a matter of fact, i literally walked out crying that even though Jerry was reading from the TelePrompTer, he still couldnt get the words right.
But overall, I love the music, over 100 shows attended (i know not a lot compared to many) and I thank them for the memories...
Peace.

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Jan 2, 2009 9:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Dreadful Greats

The first show I ever saw featured Pigpen on a few numbers, including the acoustic Katie Mae. Pigpen had reams of talent, was a fine lyricist and the "go-to" guy in the band to get things in balance. There was a energy shift when Pig performed. There was no finer closer for a Grateful Dead show. Jerry said it best in an interview once when he said "you had to BE THERE for Pigpen" While I respect the opinions of the nay sayers among Dead Heads who have little respect for this fine and special performer I will tend to trust the band members themselves when they have often stated that "it never really felt right after Pigpen died" and Jerry when he said "Pigpen was special because he WAS special, you know?"

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 2, 2009 9:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Dreadful Greats

i agree that he had heart and soul (as user stated above) and maybe he was "special" - but that equals talent not. stage presence is not necessarily reflective of talent. I also respect everyone's opinion (well, maybe not Tell and JOTS when they rag on my hometeam, but....) - i am just going by musical knowledge (instrumentationally) and kinda pure reader (listener) response theory. i.e. i just dont "hear it" - to me, he ruins more songs than he enhances (ok, maybe not as bad as donna or vince...)

again, to those who love pig - have at 'im. the pleasure derived from music is most often totally subjective as everyone knows. hey, i cant stand EE Cummings while many poetry loving friends of mine think he is the balls. gimme keith/brent and Gary Snyder/James Dickey any day of the week ;)

peace (even to those who like Pigpen..... j/k)

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jan 2, 2009 11:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Dreadful Greats

No Pig, no Grateful Dead. It's that simple. Would have been something, maybe, but would have been something else.

Put this in your pipe and smoke it:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd71-08-06.aud.bertrando.yerys.129.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 3, 2009 5:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Dreadful Greats

irrelevant to my original point (which was based upon personal preference/taste). they became a better band after he left (god rest his soul)

isn't there anything better i can put in my pipe?? ;-P

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Jan 3, 2009 12:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Dreadful Greats

Wow, I never meant to start a new thread on the merits, or lack of, of Pigpen or any other band member. I thought I was responding to a post about "when the golden road ended for you" and simply responded with how I felt. To each his own I guess.... it's my fault for following up your post that had a different take on Pigpen with a apology/explanation for the way I feel in yet another post. For us who love Pigpen no apology or explanation is needed.
"Pigpen was, and is forever, a member of The Grateful Dead."

This post was modified by SkyDawg on 2009-01-03 08:41:14

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 3, 2009 5:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Dreadful Greats

my fault for hijacking. old habits die hard; especially when you are not even trying to bury them

:)


as for the original preposition of the thread. i stopped going to shows in mid 1990 or so. reasons were mostly based upon circumstance than not wanting to go. however, i can say that from what i have listened to, i am glad i stopped going (still kept listening though). 91-95, although there are some good shows during that time period, really cannot hold a candle to the prior years imho